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robert321

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assuming we for some rediculous reason, decide to go to a government controlled, or even privately controlled, universal or socialized medicine. Can you honestly say to me that you believe that the level of care won't go down? the entire system is based on money and who can make the most of it, thats why research is done, thats why new medicines are developed, thats why the life expectancy for people with cf is up to where it is instead of people with cf not being expected to live to graduate highschool. In a free trade economy something like universal healthcare will be detrimental to the level of care. Look at the countries that already have universal healthcare, you can't get tobi, the government won't pay for it, your lucky if you get something resembling privacy or a private room, the equiptment isn't as good and the number of nosocomial infections is through the roof! In canada you have to wait for forever to get routine surgurys or to see a dr. there isn't enough of them because its just not worth it. America has thrived on free trade for over 200 years, yes things like gas prices and the cost of medical care needs the governments help to bring down the costs (if we would just drill in Alaska oil wouldn't be a problem, but another discussion for another day) if the government got involved in everything we do wouldn't that be called...communism? the government controls all aspects of life? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0"> just food for thought
 
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robert321

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assuming we for some rediculous reason, decide to go to a government controlled, or even privately controlled, universal or socialized medicine. Can you honestly say to me that you believe that the level of care won't go down? the entire system is based on money and who can make the most of it, thats why research is done, thats why new medicines are developed, thats why the life expectancy for people with cf is up to where it is instead of people with cf not being expected to live to graduate highschool. In a free trade economy something like universal healthcare will be detrimental to the level of care. Look at the countries that already have universal healthcare, you can't get tobi, the government won't pay for it, your lucky if you get something resembling privacy or a private room, the equiptment isn't as good and the number of nosocomial infections is through the roof! In canada you have to wait for forever to get routine surgurys or to see a dr. there isn't enough of them because its just not worth it. America has thrived on free trade for over 200 years, yes things like gas prices and the cost of medical care needs the governments help to bring down the costs (if we would just drill in Alaska oil wouldn't be a problem, but another discussion for another day) if the government got involved in everything we do wouldn't that be called...communism? the government controls all aspects of life? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0"> just food for thought
 
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robert321

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assuming we for some rediculous reason, decide to go to a government controlled, or even privately controlled, universal or socialized medicine. Can you honestly say to me that you believe that the level of care won't go down? the entire system is based on money and who can make the most of it, thats why research is done, thats why new medicines are developed, thats why the life expectancy for people with cf is up to where it is instead of people with cf not being expected to live to graduate highschool. In a free trade economy something like universal healthcare will be detrimental to the level of care. Look at the countries that already have universal healthcare, you can't get tobi, the government won't pay for it, your lucky if you get something resembling privacy or a private room, the equiptment isn't as good and the number of nosocomial infections is through the roof! In canada you have to wait for forever to get routine surgurys or to see a dr. there isn't enough of them because its just not worth it. America has thrived on free trade for over 200 years, yes things like gas prices and the cost of medical care needs the governments help to bring down the costs (if we would just drill in Alaska oil wouldn't be a problem, but another discussion for another day) if the government got involved in everything we do wouldn't that be called...communism? the government controls all aspects of life? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0"> just food for thought
 
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robert321

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assuming we for some rediculous reason, decide to go to a government controlled, or even privately controlled, universal or socialized medicine. Can you honestly say to me that you believe that the level of care won't go down? the entire system is based on money and who can make the most of it, thats why research is done, thats why new medicines are developed, thats why the life expectancy for people with cf is up to where it is instead of people with cf not being expected to live to graduate highschool. In a free trade economy something like universal healthcare will be detrimental to the level of care. Look at the countries that already have universal healthcare, you can't get tobi, the government won't pay for it, your lucky if you get something resembling privacy or a private room, the equiptment isn't as good and the number of nosocomial infections is through the roof! In canada you have to wait for forever to get routine surgurys or to see a dr. there isn't enough of them because its just not worth it. America has thrived on free trade for over 200 years, yes things like gas prices and the cost of medical care needs the governments help to bring down the costs (if we would just drill in Alaska oil wouldn't be a problem, but another discussion for another day) if the government got involved in everything we do wouldn't that be called...communism? the government controls all aspects of life? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0"> just food for thought
 
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robert321

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assuming we for some rediculous reason, decide to go to a government controlled, or even privately controlled, universal or socialized medicine. Can you honestly say to me that you believe that the level of care won't go down? the entire system is based on money and who can make the most of it, thats why research is done, thats why new medicines are developed, thats why the life expectancy for people with cf is up to where it is instead of people with cf not being expected to live to graduate highschool. In a free trade economy something like universal healthcare will be detrimental to the level of care. Look at the countries that already have universal healthcare, you can't get tobi, the government won't pay for it, your lucky if you get something resembling privacy or a private room, the equiptment isn't as good and the number of nosocomial infections is through the roof! In canada you have to wait for forever to get routine surgurys or to see a dr. there isn't enough of them because its just not worth it. America has thrived on free trade for over 200 years, yes things like gas prices and the cost of medical care needs the governments help to bring down the costs (if we would just drill in Alaska oil wouldn't be a problem, but another discussion for another day) if the government got involved in everything we do wouldn't that be called...communism? the government controls all aspects of life? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0"> just food for thought
 
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Emily65Roses

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There is a difference, Robert, between government controlled health care and a single payer system. The universal health care plans in question are single payer systems, not "government gets to call all the shots" system.
 
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Emily65Roses

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There is a difference, Robert, between government controlled health care and a single payer system. The universal health care plans in question are single payer systems, not "government gets to call all the shots" system.
 
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Emily65Roses

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There is a difference, Robert, between government controlled health care and a single payer system. The universal health care plans in question are single payer systems, not "government gets to call all the shots" system.
 
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Emily65Roses

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There is a difference, Robert, between government controlled health care and a single payer system. The universal health care plans in question are single payer systems, not "government gets to call all the shots" system.
 
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Emily65Roses

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There is a difference, Robert, between government controlled health care and a single payer system. The universal health care plans in question are single payer systems, not "government gets to call all the shots" system.
 
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cdale613

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This is the best comparison tool I've found: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.health08.org/sidebyside.cfm">http://www.health08.org/sidebyside.cfm</a>

I think we have remember that Universal Health <b>Insurance</b> is not the same as universal health<b> CARE</b>, and until a more comprehensive system is developed for dealing with the needs of the chronically ill, the CF population and others with chronic illnesses will not see significant improvements in care, even if they have insurance.

Chris

27 m w/CF
 
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cdale613

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This is the best comparison tool I've found: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.health08.org/sidebyside.cfm">http://www.health08.org/sidebyside.cfm</a>

I think we have remember that Universal Health <b>Insurance</b> is not the same as universal health<b> CARE</b>, and until a more comprehensive system is developed for dealing with the needs of the chronically ill, the CF population and others with chronic illnesses will not see significant improvements in care, even if they have insurance.

Chris

27 m w/CF
 
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cdale613

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This is the best comparison tool I've found: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.health08.org/sidebyside.cfm">http://www.health08.org/sidebyside.cfm</a>

I think we have remember that Universal Health <b>Insurance</b> is not the same as universal health<b> CARE</b>, and until a more comprehensive system is developed for dealing with the needs of the chronically ill, the CF population and others with chronic illnesses will not see significant improvements in care, even if they have insurance.

Chris

27 m w/CF
 
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cdale613

New member
This is the best comparison tool I've found: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.health08.org/sidebyside.cfm">http://www.health08.org/sidebyside.cfm</a>

I think we have remember that Universal Health <b>Insurance</b> is not the same as universal health<b> CARE</b>, and until a more comprehensive system is developed for dealing with the needs of the chronically ill, the CF population and others with chronic illnesses will not see significant improvements in care, even if they have insurance.

Chris

27 m w/CF
 
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cdale613

New member
This is the best comparison tool I've found: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.health08.org/sidebyside.cfm">http://www.health08.org/sidebyside.cfm</a>
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<br />I think we have remember that Universal Health <b>Insurance</b> is not the same as universal health<b> CARE</b>, and until a more comprehensive system is developed for dealing with the needs of the chronically ill, the CF population and others with chronic illnesses will not see significant improvements in care, even if they have insurance.
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<br />Chris
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<br />27 m w/CF
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